Mod 4 Annotation Reflections

In looking back at my annotation and comparing to the site I think i would use my report as a guideline as to whether the site in question would serve my needs. My annotation is only a review of the site its author and publisher, and would probably benefit me better than a snapshot of the page as i have already read the site and my annotation then becomes an aid to memory.

Even though I have tried to be uninfluenced by my own beliefs and needs my annotation is probably not as unbiased as i would hope it to be. Therefore I would have to say that a snapshot of the page in question would probably be of better use to an outside user as they can then judge for themselves whether the information contained within is relevant or of a certain standard.

Mod 4 Evaluating the Web: Annotation

I have had to choose new search terms for this task as the search terms I previously chose were not applicable to this activity. My new search terms are Internet, behavior and Netiquette. Hopefully these new terms will provide me with a link to a site applicable to my needs.
The site I have been given is http://www.abacon.com/compsite/conversation/netiquette.html
Here is my annotation.

Internet Behavior and Ethics: Netiquette

This site is both a reference site for the subject of netiquette and an Advocacy site as it tends to portray this topic as a needed tool rather than an unbiased discussion on the pro's and cons of netiquette. I was unable to discover much about the author Daniel Anderson, but the publisher Allyn and Bacon are a leaders in the field of humanities and social studies publications for higher education. The content of this site is merely an outline of the topic the real information on this topic lies in the links to other relevant sites of which only three work out of the four located here.
I do not feel that this site has been maintained and updated regularly the last time any addition was made to this page was in 1999 and although the topic of netiquette is not likely to change much over the short term, maintenance would have repaired the broken links and possibly added some more. I didn't find many sites linked to this one only nine which conveys to me that this page although useful has not been widely recognised.

Module 5 Information Ecologies

What do I think about the idea that the Internet can be viewed as an ecology, well an ecology is a conglomeration of various species of living organisms located within a certain environment. Firstly can my use of the Internet be compared with an ecology, when asking this question of myself i am not tryng to discover whether the Internet is a living organism surviving in the realm of cyberspace. I am questioning whether my Internet use in some ways mimics the relationships between living organisms in an ecology. As I am not a biologist my understanding of ecology's is somewhat limited but from what i do understand ecology's rely on symbiotic relationships, in this respect the use of the Internet is very similar from my relationship with my keyboard to the relationship between the server and my query. One cannot complete a task without the others input in this way it can be considered a symbiotic relationship, and therefore by extension an ecology. It changes my view of the Internet from a simple information retrieval and storage device into a realm of infinite possibilities where information is the power source, my imagination the tool and communications are the directions.
As an ecology has many components communication cannot be considered an ecology as it is only one species of organism within the ecology of the Internet. Even though there may be different family groups within a genus, this does not constitute an ecology. The same applies to communication there are different forms of communication, but still they are only one genus or family and therefore are only a part of an ecology not the whole.

Mod 4 Organising Search Information Task

Firstly I saved the top three sources to my favorites list in a folder named florist.







This gives me access to their sites as soon as I'm online. As to the other information I need to save I have chosen to do this in my outlook contacts book. The first site was American Beauty Florist unfortunately the author of this site could not be found, here is a screen shot of that contacts page.








The summary I copied from the site and pasted in to notes section, here is a copy just in case its not clear on the screen shot above.




“American Beauty Florist in Huntington Beach, CA specializes in the following flowers and gift arrangements:
Large inventory of fresh flowers Tropical Plants European/dish gardens Contemporary and traditional arrangements High-style floral arrangements Silk arrangements Dried floral arrangements Weddings Funeral designs Extensive gift line Gourmet and fruit baskets Gift baskets Greeting cards Candles Stuffed Animals Balloons "(American Beauty Florist)



The second site was saved in the same manner and although the site authoring was done through superpages the author him/her self could not be identified. Below is the contacts page for the second result.

As with the first contact I will copy an excerpt of the contact summary below.

“We Owe Our 21 Years of Success To:

Our deep commitment to customer service
Carrying only the freshest flowers in town
Our always-reasonable prices
Preparing every arrangement with special care and an eye for detail

We Offer:

Dependable, same-day delivery service
Wire delivery of flowers anywhere in the world
Most importantly, time to listen to our customers

When you order an arrangement from Love N’ Bloom, you can be sure that they will always say exactly what’s in your heart.Love N' Bloom can service any occasion — from a birthday to an anniversary to a bereavement. If you order a floral arrangement, a fruit or gourmet basket, or a gift, any selection can include a bottle of special wine, champagne, or even a balloon bouquet.”( Love N" Bloom)

the third result was Lavender memory flowers and gifts the contact details for this company was like the other two before saved in windows outlook contacts book.

“ About the Company

Lavender Memory Flowers and Gifts has been proudly serving Huntington Beach. We are family owned and operated with one location serving Huntington Beach and surrounding area's of Orange County, California. We are committed to offering only the finest floral arrangements and gifts. Which is backed by our service that is friendly and prompt. We feel all our customers are important so we have our professional staff which is dedicated to making your experience a pleasant one. This is why we always go the extra mile to make your floral gift perfect.
_______________________________________________________________
Areas Covered

Our shop serves the following areas: Huntington Beach, Fountain Valley, Costa Mesa, Newport Beach, Seal Beach, Westminster, Garden Grove and Sunset Beach
_______________________________________________________________
Business Hours

Our shop is open 9:00 am to 6:00 pm, Monday through Friday and from 9:00 am to 2:00 pm on Saturday.
We are closed on Sundays.”(Lavender Memory Flowers and Gifts)

Finally I hooked my Apple iphone to my comp downloaded the new contacts list onto the phone and edited my calender to show those contacts when certain events occur such as b'days and valentines day, better not forget that one, lol.:)

In refection setting up all these contacts can be a little time consuming, but if the events that they portend to occur at least annually you will be saving time and embarrassment down the track.

Mod 4 Boolean Search Task

To receive the most number of hits using my previous search terms, I used the Boolean logical operator OR. I soon discovered getting the most results does not mean that you get the right result. Although the search engine responded with 51 perfect matches, they were only perfect in relation to the parameters set in the search, which as I was using the Boolean OR were pretty broad.

The terms used were huntington OR beach OR florist OR tulips.

To receive the most relevant results in my search I would need to use the Boolean logical operator AND. In this way I would be getting results that Incorporated all of my search parameters.

The terms used in this attempt were huntington AND beach AND florist AND tulip.

When trying to search through university only sources I used (university)thinking that by putting this term in parenthesis would ensure that sites containing the word university would be the first searched I then added Boolean AND with the rest of my search words, as you can see it didn't turn out quite as expected.

With this attempt the search was set out thus, (university)AND huntington AND beach AND florist AND tulip.

I did try a less Boolean approach that yielded absolutely no results lol. I searched using the domain name edu.

Mod 4 Engine Search Task 3

These are the first five results from Google.

Tubs of Tulips, Huntington Beach CA 92605 -- MerchantCircle.com
Tubs of Tulips is located at Huntington Beach, CA. Phone: 714-843-6150. ... Florist Worldwide and Local Delivery 24 Hours Find this company on the map ...www.merchantcircle.com/business/Tubs.of.Tulips.714-843-6150 - 30k - Cached - Similar pages
Huntington Beach Florist Flowers Delivery Service
17 Jan 2009 ... We are the leading Huntington Beach Florist, a local Huntington Beach Flowers shop with on-line delivery service you can trust to send ...www.firstchoiceflowers.com/ - 10k - Cached - Similar pages
Valentine flowers, Valentine's Day Flowers,florist Fountain Valley ...
27 Jan 2009 ... Valentine flowers and arrangements, florist Huntington Beach, ... of White Hyacinth, Red Tulips,. Bouvardia and tied with a sheer ...www.theflowerplacefv.com/Valentine-flowers-valentines-day-Fountain-Valley-florist.htm - 56k - Cached - Similar pages
Local business results for Florist, Tulips near Huntington Beach, CA, USA




Tubs of Tulips - maps.google.com.au16440 Pacific Coast Hwy, Huntington Beach - +1 714-843-6150Directions and more »

FLORIST IN LOS ANGELES - www.centurycityflowermart.net9551 W. PICO BLVD, LOS ANGELES - +1 800-576-7372
9 reviews, directions, hours, and more »

Ruffled Tulip - www.theruffledtulip.com401 El Camino Real, Tustin - +1 714-544-01771 review, directions, and more »



More results near Huntington Beach, CA, USA »
Send Tulips in Huntington Beach CA - A Secret Garden Florist ...
Send Tulips from A Secret Garden Florist & Gifts for delivery in the Huntington Beach, CA area. A Secret Garden Florist & Gifts in Huntington Beach offers a ...www.asecretgardenflst.net/huntington-beach-florist/tulips-92385c.asp - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

And these are the results from Copernic"s Advanced search

1.
Huntington Beach Florist Huntington Be...
Buy flowers from your local florist in Huntington Beach, CA - LAVENDER MEMORY FLORIST & GIFTS will ... TEMPTING TULIPS Arrangement $45.00, $55.00, $65.00 Shown at $55.00
lavenderexpress.com [Found on Windows Live, Yahoo! Search]
2.
Huntington Beach Florists and Flowers Hu...
Huntington Beach flower delivery by a local Florist. ... Fast flower delivery in Huntington Beach Same day ... Pink Tulips
www.e-florist-inc.com/Huntington-Beach-florist.asp [Found on Windows Live, Yahoo! Search]
3.
Huntington Beach Flower Shops - brillian...
Huntington Beach Flower Shops - Local Listing: Moore ... Tubs Of Tulips: 19488 Beach Blvd. 16440 Pacific Coast Hwy ... American Beauty Florist: 21562 Brookhurst Ave. 17851 Beach Blvd.
www.avonibp.co.uk/californiaflower/huntingtonbeachshops.htm [Found on Windows Live, Yahoo! Search]
4.
California Flowers Brea Fullerton Yorba ...
Golden Hills Florist ... Our Delivery Area In Orange County Includes Brea, Fullerton, Yorba Linda, Anaheim Hills, La Habra, Placentia, Orange, Garden Grove, Huntington Beach, Irvine, Lad...
www.goldenhillsflorist.com/ [Found on Ask.com, Yahoo! Search]
5.
Huntington Beach Florists - Flowers Hunt...
A Secret Garden Florist & Gifts, your local Huntington Beach florist, sends fresh flowers ... 35.95 - [TFWEB487] Tulips and Pine
www.asecretgardenflst.net/ [Found on Windows Live]

Mod 4 Engine Search Task 2

On a previous task I downloaded Copernic so I guess that the route I'll take for this project. Firstly I couldn't find a setting that allowed you to choose which search engines to use and there was nothing about a deep web search although in my answers at least three search engines were listed in the results.

As you can see below the top result was a little different.

Huntington Beach Florist Huntington Be...
Buy flowers from your local florist in Huntington Beach, CA - LAVENDER MEMORY FLORIST & GIFTS will ... TEMPTING TULIPS Arrangement $45.00, $55.00, $65.00 Shown at $55.00
lavenderexpress.com [Found on Windows Live, Yahoo! Search]

And the amount of results found was.

Results: 1 - 20 of 66

After comparing the two searches I would have to say the Copernic gave the better results. It sent me a direct link to a buisinesses web page were as Google sent me to a buisiness directory.

As for the why, well Copernic had the resources of multiple search engines, and Googles first result was of a page that supported Google advertising. Im would have to say that the Google result was influenced more by financial concerns than an accurate search using my parameters.

Mod 4 Engine Search Task 1

Up until this point my most commonly used search engine has been Google. The words I chose for this exercise were Huntington Beach, Florist and Tulips.








The top result I got was.

Tubs of Tulips, Huntington Beach CA 92605 -- MerchantCircle.com
Tubs of Tulips is located at Huntington Beach, CA. Phone: 714-843-6150. ... Florist Worldwide and Local Delivery 24 Hours Find this company on the map ...
www.merchantcircle.com/business/Tubs.of.Tulips.714-843-6150 - 30k - Cached - Similar pages





The number of hit received for my query was





Results 1 - 10 of about 5,400 for Huntington beach, Florist,Tulips. (0.26 seconds

Mod 4 Tools for using the Web

The only program that I didn't already have or want installed on my computer was Copernic. The downloading process was very painless, being only approx 7Mb, as for installation that too was easy the only obstacle you may need to overcome is choosing whether you would want to install the toolbar that came along with the App. As for learning Copernic, that to was relatively straight forward, all the search choices are in plain view. If you wish to tweak the program in the options menu this to is a very simple process. I have never used a desktop/online search App before, and I found this freebie to be easy to use as well as useful. I compared this with the windows desktop search App and found that the Copernic program was easier to understand and quicker to learn. The windows software had the look of windows help desk and was initially just as confusing. It also lacked the online search facility. Simplicity of use in this case was the deciding factor for me, Copernic had an online search capability across multiple search engines, which certainly saves time when looking for something online.

Mod 3 WEB 2.0

From what i can gather the main difference lays in the accessability, manipulation and presentation of information. After reading http://socialsoftware.weblogsinc.com/2005/09/29/approaching-a-definition-of-web-2-0/
It seems like the perfect tool in the modern age giving the user the control of the information they wish to store or disseminate over the web and also to recieve like minded topics to improve their experience, From what i understood it sounds as though web 2.0 evolves to suit the user. where as standard html site is rigid in its application and is not as interactive friendly.

Mod 3 Blogs

My thoughts on Blogs hmmm well lets see. Blogs are primarily for people to share information on a topic, they are interactive(people can make comments). Many different forms of communication can be used in a blog such as text, pictures and even video and audio.
Links can also be Incorporated into a blog to allow the reader to access further info on the subject of the Blog.

Blog stands for Web Log and can be used as a diary or tasks or events such as we are doing on this course. or as a way for people to communicate their thoughts and ideas whether they be intellectual or artistic. With the use of the comment ability of the log a two way conversation can be initiated making the dissemination of ideas or info more of a message board feel.

I find that using this blog to convey my thoughts is an easier medium for me to use. Its about me sharing my opinions without having to actually contact someone. Phew.

Mod 3 Copyright

I do not believe that i contravened any copyright laws, although one comes to mind that might be a bit iffy. The character based graphic done on the tutorial if copied directly might be considered a breech(luckily I changed it lol), but then being part of an education site and used for educational purposes, does that mean it is taken for granted that the material will be used to further an individuals education in a practical sense(Fair use). The tutorial asked the user to make a web page therefore any content used in the creation of afore mentioned page if copied would not be subject to copyright as permission has already been give for its use in an educational sense. After thinking a little further I also came to believe that this didn't apply to publishing and loading a page onto the net for public use especially if monetary gain is involved.

Would I be violating copyright law if I were to use the Curtin logo at the top of an assignment. My view on this would be no i would not the reason being I am actually a part of Curtin University, the logo is on an assignment handed out by and completed for Curtin Uni, and unless i was to publish the document for public viewing I believe that I would be within the limits of copyright law to use it for projects within Curtin university.

Now to see what the law has to say hmmm apparently I would be infringing copy right unless I had the permission of Curtin University to use the logo. http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:HU7gNAZpyeYJ:www.copyright.org.au/pdf/acc/infosheets_pdf/G028.pdf+logo+copyright+law&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au
I hope this link is helpful, it helped clear a few things up for me.

Module 3 HTML Task 1

I really enjoyed doing the tutorial, even though I knew most of those basics its nice to refresh your memory. I breezed through the entire task right up until the point were i had to post it on the presentations page OMG. It downloaded fine but no matter what I did the title just would not appear in the Presentation list. At least a dozen times I went through my coding checking and rechecking until I had accumulated another 10years worth of grey hair. finally after sifting through everybody's posts on the blackboard I realised I had saved it as unicode and not ANSCI. How much of a dope am I?. I hope you find the time to check it out sometime.

Now finishing the question what differences are there between blog and html and which do you prefer. Well after the stress encountered at the end of this task I am tempted to say I prefer blogging as it is so much simpler to use, but I must admit I enjoy the creativity you get from typing source code and seeing the outcome. I did see however than when I tried to load the source code here on my blog it did not display properly, so I am assuming that the html editor on here is limited as to what it can accomplish. The main difference as to uses of blogs compared to html pages is I believe that blogs are more user friendly faster to use and require absolutely no knowledge of html source code.

Chat task

Hmmmm which program to choose that was the first conundrum I faced. In the past I have used Yahoo messenger almost exclusively, but I have also had occasion to use microsoft live messenger. I came to the conclusion that to maximise my chances of catching someone from my course online i needed to download at least one other IM program so I installed ICQ. Rather than posting my user id's on the chat board im opting to send everyone an email of my contact details. That way I can be sure that everyone will receive them and the decision to make contact will be theirs to make. As for the programs i have chosen to use i only have experience with two at the moment Yahoo and Windows live. As purely text based chat programs both are easy to use with lots of optional extras(such as games), but when i have used the voice call option i find that both programs have some quirks yahoo has a tendency to shut down voice calls and especially on international calls the quality of the sound is at times not the best. A similar thing can be said of microsoft live although with their voice call the problem in usually either feedback on the signal or some echoing. Now after being so negative I must also add that the use of these two programs has changed my life for the better. I now have the ability to talk to people that i would never have had the opportunity to before.

Newsgroups

What a pain. First of all trying to set up the new account was a nightmare, Five times I had to ring Telstra to find out what the NNTP server name was the first tech support didn't know what I was Talking about and gave me the settings for regular email. The 2nd through to the 4th tech support operaters kept hanging up after keeping me waiting and then trying to transfer me. Finally after a little prayer I was connected to someone who new how to access the information i required. As you can imagine after an hour of this i was becoming a little irritated lol. Then after I had the newsgroup set up I went hunting for something I could dig my teeth into. After searching through the list of 30 000+ newsgroups, lol, I found one that suited me. As you can see below i opted to use the Outlook express to view my news group.

Email lists v's Discussion Boards

It would depend upon the individuals needs and preferences. Some people prefer to have the information sent to them as in email lists, where the participant only has to send 1 email which is then sent to the entire group. The downside of this is that an awful lot of email is generated and it can become oppressive. Email lists can be a effective way of receiving and sending information as the members only need to check their inbox.

I wouldn't want all that email directed at me it would be frustrating and time consuming sorting through it all to find a specific piece of information and quite frankly I would have better things to do.

As for discussion boards they are generally located online and the users have to sign into a website to access the community, the boards can be set up in such a way that it is easier to find a group that is talking on a subject or topic that you wish to participate in. The downside being there is no immediate response to your posts and you may have to check in frequently to find your answer. Although I have found that generally in an active discussion board most questions are usually already answered you just need to look.

I would say that a discussion board is definitely more suited for learning purposes or research, and email lists would be better suited for hobbyists, gossip and general news.

Email Task

Question 1


Arghhh what am i doing, Im going look at the answers some of the other students are posting in order to get some idea of how to go about this task. At first all i could glean from the message i sent to myself from Yahoo was my email address, the subject of the message, and its content, but after reading the blog from Lin http://net11lwade.blogspot.com/2008/12/email-task.html it was revealed to me that there is a greater depth of information to be discovered. I opened my email in Office Outlook right clicked and chose message options. Wow!! low and behold there at the bottom under Internet headers was the mother load as you can see below I managed to glean some new facts concerning my email.

Return-Path: <dpr211267@yahoo.com>Received: from nskntingx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([98.136.44.36]) by nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20090103031347.XXWK24984.nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntingx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for <dre12342@bigpond.net.au>; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:13:47 +0000Received: from n71.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([98.136.44.36]) by nskntingx01p.mx.bigpond.com with SMTP id <20090103031346.XMRL23721.nskntingx01p.mx.bigpond.com@n71.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> for <dre12342@bigpond.net.au>; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:13:46 +0000Received: from [69.147.65.172] by n71.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2009 03:13:44 -0000Received: from [69.147.65.163] by t14.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2009 03:13:44 -0000Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp408.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2009 03:13:44 -0000X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 828093.32569.bm@omp408.mail.sp1.yahoo.comReceived: (qmail 22741 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2009 03:13:44 -0000DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=qFn2BvK1T5EiD0Jxzqr39LIF0FCCM9W7B0ovwwgbetynoR1/451Itfwo/Q6PL/IkbK0eEm7TIM4vtER6bWp7hPwuZBoO70+A6Dqi5eOog7jUp6cBfuj2HZH3CU/ud9SBOm4aFmaqe2gYf9ywrV8ztMsnadGFGp/baljAzebaEfk=;X-YMail-OSG: SUFwRfIVM1mwT0bdby2MDFjSNlDqESUevnBrYwCrlRsAlAzq0snon_U3m7b2PwCxLWfm0owQlKmpVt4HXWbNiYmcWEwGJrob56to6ptZCnzreCH26.Is0G0npPjW91E4_h1gGihTsRLWK3fWHp5r2rzCN57HOKUYEdS6TiC8hYrbhm6dz0mazMh1IH5pbIXH8.cYv1w-Received: from [121.222.134.237] by web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:13:44 PSTX-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 19:13:44 -0800 (PST)From: Douglas Reynolds <dpr211267@yahoo.com>Subject: Email taskTo: dre12342@bigpond.net.auMIME-Version: 1.0Message-ID: <653616.22581.qm@web45603.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150202.495ED7EB.0073,ss=1,fgs=0X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 8.0.176 [270.10.2/1872]Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-495ED7F20000======="

A lot of this is absolute gobbledy gook to me, but I am able to ascertain that the email was sent from YahooMailWebService at 19:13:44 on Fri 2nd January 2009 PST, and passed through a number of servers to finally arrive at my outlook application on Sat, 3rd Jan 2009 03:14:37, now considering that it is actually 1:42 pm which would translate to 13:42:00 maybe the final time given is in GMT. One concern I have about posting this information on this blog is am I actually making myself vulnerable to a breech of my computer system. Hopefully I'm not being overly paranoid.

Question 2

I am am not a very social creature and rarely if ever have I had the opportunity to use these functions but of the top of my head I would probably use the cc and bcc if I had to send the same document,image or other such message to more than 1 individual. As for the reply to all function hmmm lets see, if a number of emails required the same response, an example would be in the movie Bruce Almighty where Bruce answered all emails "yes" using the reply all function.

Question 3

There are a number of ways to ensure that the recipient of an attachment to an email is able to open it. Firstly through an explanation in the body of the email explaining which application opens the attachment. Secondly by sending the attachment in a format that that is widely accepted by most operating systems e.g an rtf file. Thirdly through correspondance with the recipient learning what applications their system uses and sending your attachments to suit.

Question 4

My email is an absolute mess, I have no rules or filters set up. But after reading this part of the course that is something that I will be rectifying. The first and foremost will be to filter out the spam and have correspondance from the Uni redirected to my Uni folder, and highlight certain emails to quickly ascertain who they are from.

Question 5

The folder structure of my email is not very complex I have the standard in,out,deleted,drafts and junk folders and i have added a Uni folder for University correspondance to keep it seperated. As I have a number of email accounts I think its time to drag myself out of the stoneage and put some order into my electronic mail.

Curtin Trace

When I did a trace to curtin.edu.au I had exceeded my download allowance and subsequently my connection was reduced to a snails pace. As you can see below the time it took was agonizingly slow due to my connection speed, but i also noticed the trace only took two steps. The previous trace done through another site took longer and had more steps, I would speculate that this is due to the fact that the first trace was from another site in another country and would have to pass through various servers to find its way to curtin.edu.au.




I also noticed that the A-toolbar trace provided less information. To be more specific it did not supply the host name of the ip addresses just the addresses in a host name column hmmmmm, also the original trace made 3 attempts at each address and recorded the time for each. I dont see that on the A-toolbar trace tool, just 1 attempt per address.